I have always said please and thank you (at least i hope i have)

I only tend to ask if i'm really stuck, but i prefer to ask if anyone knows where I might find charts, rather than asking for them directly... i always worry that i might be putting people out otherwise

Even though I am a relative newbie I have seen a few people asking for charts who i hadnt noticed on chat, they must stealth on here and then try to take advantage of everyones kindness lol

Btw I did leave a post for Amy (Babycham1983)to say thanks for the threads in return for the chart and a thanks for Lynne (giggles) for the kit purchased

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Originally posted by Spiral:
I didn't even even know you could request charts lol. I've found some great charts just from the past two woxs mags that I'm more than happy with to get me started . I know I'm a newbie but in the future if I do really want a chart and request one, I promise I will use my manners!

Its illegal to ask for copies but i am talking about peeps who ask for charts and dont use manners I just feel that some people just join this forum hoping for free charts.I'm sure you are very genuine and dont want to put of newbies

Lol don't worry you're not being off putting I know what people can be like.

I would only consider helping people who have been around a while, and yes, please and thank you would be helpful .

I have notice.. Last week I got an email from a new member emailing me asking for charts as she has no money.. when I checked on the forum she had only two posts.. I think it was cheeky as I have never even heard of this person.

I have noticed that to.Manners cost nothing

I've noticed too. Just ignore them if they can't be bothered to introduce themselves properly first.

I've noticed this too steph, one newbie asked for charts and said she was trying to build her stash up but with no income it's hard. I left a message asking what exactly she was looking for, and she emailed me back saying

"if you have any links or charts you can send them, if you have any stuff you don't need any more you can send that too"

can I indeed! didn't even have any manners! if I had stuff I didn't need any more I'd either give it to someone I know would appreciate it, or ask someone to swap.

Cheeky madam! Glad you didn't oblige Wendy. She's probably got more money than most of us.

I wouldn't have either!
I got an email from a newbie asking for HAED charts- didn't know her- got no hi, introduction, etc from her.
I just deleted it!

There are plenty of newbies out there that do the right thing- pity some have to spoil it for others.

I'd like to say something if I may. first I hope I'm not one of the people you mean, I have asked for help in the past and got it, I have said please and thank you but I do have a confession to make and another request for help.

First the confession,

I asked for help with the Dictionary of Teas chart a short while ago. Someone very kindly sent it to me but I have not been able to reimburse them because I cannot find their email addy. I know this is sloppy of me but I thought I'd saved it and I must have accidentally deleted it or saved it to the wrong file. I cannot ask if anyone knows the email addy because obviously I dont have it.

Secondly the help,

Could that person to get in touch with me so I can say thank you properly.

and finally, when I do ask for help I always make some kind of offer for that help, sometimes people want something for their chart sharing (fair enough they are expensive after all) and others don't. I have also offered to help with charts and I've given threads and card blanks away before because I think it's nice to help folk when I can.

So whilst I agree with what you've all said and I don't think I'm included in the category, I just feel a little guilty because I still haven't been able to thank someone for their help

Joanne, that's a lovely response that I'm sure the person who may think you've forgotten about them, will take your words in the spirit they are meant.

I do understand what the ladies mean, I notice newbies on here asking for stuff without making the effort to be part of the group first. I I've asked for a charts in the past, usually for something that is discontinued or was only available as a kit and some people won't take anything for it. I've done the same with other people, giving away charts I'm finished with or bits and pieces, though there has been one person who didn't even bother to tell me the item arrived, let alone say thank you!

We are a kind bunch on here but sometimes it does seem people take advantage. Like the person WendyH is talking about, they want something for nothing and you'll probably find that they want things to sell on eBay!

I think it was the same person that asked brenda for haed charts that asked me. i just ignored her, i know i dont really talk a lot on the forum but i am always around reading the posts and add a few posts occasionally but i would never ever not say please and thank you. and i always try to help with requests when i can so it is just the height of bad manners to come on looking for freebies when you dont have any intention of staying or helping back.

I haven't been on for a while.... just been popping on and then DD and GS appear and I pop off again lol....I haven't noticed Steph....Manners cost nothing and mean sooo much....I will ignore the beggers

How do you determine Newbies?

I would say im quite new. and i have asked for some charts, mainly ones i couldnt find and have noticed people had done.

In most cases i always ask if someone has the chart that they are no longer needing, or know where i can get it. Always offer exchanges in threads or whatever the person is needing and i must admit i get a positive response.

A few ladies on here have helped me to either obtain the chart or to even help with the chart.

I always respond to emails (unless on here as it takes a few days but do get a reposnse). and always ask nicely and am extremely grateful for any help.

I have to admit i have contacted a few people who have done HAEDS before as i wanted to have a quick look at a chart to see how difficult it was going to be before purchasing one of my own ones but as they are expensive didnt want to buy it not to use it.

Am i one of these newbies you speak of?

You have been around nearly 2 years Lyndsay these were people who had just joined and were asking for charts etc on their very first post without even introducing themselves or getting to know us.

I notice this kind of thing with a lot of people who mostly communicate online - teenagers and older people too. They don't introduce themselves and they're very focussed on what they want to say (or get.) It seems a lot of people don't have conversations at home any more so they don't actually know how to talk to other people!

The government is actually talking about introducing verbal communication lessons/ practice times in schools, like the "literacy hour" they brought in when they realised how many kids leave primary school unable to read.

No point blaming the Internet, they have it in France, Germany, Japan, all over the world. No point blaming teenagers either, they are often uncommunicative outside their own friends. It's just down to people old enough to know better starting to behave like infants.

I can feel a rant about the infantilisation of society coming on, so I'll stop now!

This is going to seem like a stupid question but I'm new to stitching and to this forum so please bear with me lol. I read it was illegal to ask for copies of charts, but I had a look on the forum and people are either requesting proper charts to be sent or copies of charts and people are helping them. If I have a chart from either a kit or a mag, should I not copy it to my computer for other people to use? Thanks for any help in advance!

Perhaps we need to have a section for introductions for the newbies to the forum where everyone could introduce themselves first before they can be allowed to post on the other sections of the forum?

Hi Lyndsey,you are not a newbie and im not saying it is wrong to request a chart but what i have seen in the past few weeks is many posts from newbies that have just joined up asking for a chart without using manners or even introducing themselves.I have even had emails from some asking if they can have the charts of my works! I dont mind swapping charts and have even given some away to those who have have asked nicely but some just join up here for free charts.Also the amount of charts people have been asking for make me wonder whether the charts are for their use or whether they are going to sell and swap to other people.
The chart section is for people to look for or sell charts (originals) but using manners will get better results,so no Lyndsey you are not one of the people i am talking about